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December 07, 2008

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djh

Earlier today, I was reviewing your past blogs on zinc relative to prostate cancer (2/27/05, 3/9/05 and 3/16/05). In those postings, you recommended Zinc in the form of Zinc Citrate.

By chance, I subsequently reviewed this new post and found it to be of particular interest.

I am currently taking Solaray BioCitrate Zinc which lists each capsule as containing 50 mg Zinc (as Zinc-Citrate) and 5 mg Sodium. A new version of the product substitutes 50 mg Pumpkin (Cucurbita pepo)(seed) for the Sodium in the previous version. The label states that Pumpkin is added as a natural source of Zinc.

In attempting to determine the amount of elemental Zinc, I checked the manufacturers web site but it only contains a duplicate of information on the product label.

With that background I have three questions:

Your 2/27/2005 post recommended a dose of 100 mg Zinc per day whereas this post suggests 50 mg per day. In 2005 you cited the following: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12837837
The NIH Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet shows 40 mg as the upper level while noting that this does not limit higher doses for someone under medical supervision. (See Table 3).
http://ods.od.nih.gov/FactSheets/Zinc.asp
What is your rationale for 50 mg?

Is your past recommendation of using Zinc in the form of Zinc Citrate still appropriate or do you recommend it in some other form?

Any thoughts as to how to determine the number of capsules to achieve a desired dose of elemental Zinc?

Thanks for the usual great research.

Larry B

Fellow GK members,
I have been taking 50mg of zinc as Zinc Sulfate in a liquid Ionic Zinc formula made by Trace Minerals, available at your local Vitamin Shoppe. It contains:
Magnesium (Concern Trace) 25mg
Zinc (Sulfate)
50mg
Copper
2mg
Chloride
70mg
Other Trace Minerals
237mg
Sulfate
80mg
Boron
0.1 mg

I told Dr. Martin that I had Liver cancer and have been taking with the protocol now for almost six months.
Bottom line is my liver enzymes have decreased on average 100-150 points in the last 2-3 months. And I have Hep C and HCC.
There may be other contributing factors but my cancer is down-staging(almost unheard of with HCC) and enzymes are much lower and tumor marker is down from 47-18 in the last month and a half.
The Liquid Mineral form is easy to use...just 1.25 ml with a dropper in water once a day. No pills, no counting and no mess.

Hope this helps,
And thanks to Steve Martin for getting me started with this for my protocol.

Dr. Steve

Everything changes over time. 50 mgs of zinc is the upper limit. I don't care what I said in the past. I only care what I can find out now. Zinc citrate or sulfate is fine as long as the amount of elemental zinc is listed on the bottle.

djh

I learned from my local supplement provider and confirmed with a manufacturer that for most mineral compounds (zinc for instance), the amount of the elemental mineral is as stated on the label even though the word elemental is not used.

For instance, for one capsule, the label notation "Zinc (as Zinc Citrate) - 50mg" means a cap has 50mg of elemental zinc.

Dr. Steve

You are absolutely correct.

Harold Espinoza

Dr. Martin. I have been giving my wife electolytic minerals with many trace minerals in liquid form. She had tests done and her liver enzyme levels are pretty high. Would the electolytic minerals be causing this? I am still waiting for my nephew to come down on the 19th from Tampa to start the MJ treatment for Jessica her 15-3 tumor marker are way way up there 2,660 when the limit is 50. I hope that the MJ will help her is there another protocol for it or is it every 6 days aerosol or could it be done every 3 days?
Thanks
HAROLD

Harold Espinoza

Actually they are ionic sea minerals.

Harold Espinoza

Hi Larry B.
What are you taking to control those liver enzyme levels from elevating? My wife has a met breast cancer and her liver enzymes are high on her lab results and she is not taking chemo right now but is on ionic ocean minerals.
Thanks for your coments.
Harold

GS

Hi Harold,
I hope Dr. Martin will comment on this.
Ionic sea minerals contain:
Magnesium, Chloride, Sodium, Potassium, Sulfate, Lithium, Boron, Calcium, Chromium, Bromide, Carbonate, Bicarbonate, Nitrogen, Zinc, Nickel, Tungsten, Germanium, Selenium, Phosphorus, Iodide, Manganese, Gold, Silver, Fluoride, Silicon, Titanium, Rubidium, Copper, Antimony, Molybdenum, Strontium, Scandium, Vanadium, Tellurium, Barium, Lanthanum, Yttrium, Gallium, Bismuth, Zirconium, Cerium, Cesium, Beryllium, Hafnium, Holmium, Samarium, Terbium, Europium, Gadolinium, Dysprosium, Thorium, Lutetium, Thulium, Cadmium, Erbium, Ytterbium, Neodymium, Praseodymium, Niobium, Tantalum, Thallium, Rhenium, Indium, Palladium, Platinum, Helium, Neon, Argon, Krypton, Radon, and other elements found in sea water.

I would stay really far away from these.
IT WOULD BE WISE TO STAY AWAY FROM SOMETHING YOU DONT ADEQUATELY UNDERSTAND.
Some of this stuff is also radioactive.

Larry B

I am not concerned about the liver enzymes right now as they have been high for the last 15 years. I have Hep C. My main concern is stopping the cancer.
Not being a doctor I don't know why your wife's enzymes are elevated. I have seen my levels drop in the last few months while on the GK protocol but you will have to draw your own conclusions.
The Zinc supplement is an anti-inflammatory as I was told by Steve Martin and that is why I am taking it.
Best of luck. Ask your doctors.

Larry B.

Dr. Steve

Yes, it can be taken every three days. Electrolytes shouldn't be a problem.

Dr. Steve

Drop the stuff. There is no reason to use it and something in it may interfere with MJ.

Harold Espinoza

Dr. Martin
I have bought Mason Vitamins natural Zinc 50mg (as Gluconate). I cannot find any supplemente with states "elemental zinc" here in Ecuador. Would this be a good source of zinc for liver function? I understand as Drop the stuff in reference to the Ionic Ocean Minerals right?
Thanks,
Dr. Martin

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